Juan Soto Ivars:

Juan Soto Ivars (Aguilas, 1985) is one of the crusaders heading the Order of Free Speech. This is demonstrated by the multiple articles by him in El Confidencial and other newspapers. Also his appearances on radio and television, but, above all, his latest books published by him. He had been reflecting on post-censorship on social networks and on the taboo; he now completes the trilogy with an essay-narrative of a trial of irony in no one is going to laugh (Ed. Debate), which presents this Tuesday at 7:00 p.m. at the Luces de Málaga Bookstore.

-Juan, why is nobody going to laugh?



-That is what a character of Kundera says in a story that is fiction, but tells a story like this, which is real. A man makes a silly joke that is destroying his life and says “when I tell this in court, if they have a soul, everyone will have to laugh” and his friend replies “maybe you don’t know how people are but nobody is going to laugh“. This is what has happened in the court that judges Anónimo García for a parody.

-Anonymous launches a website parodying a La Manada Tour in Pamplona to criticize the press, which had pointed out all the places that appear. Did you think it would have such an impact?

-Most of the acts that Homo Velamine – the group in which Anonymous does social criticism – had done on websites had had very little follow-up. But what he plans is that if the media swallows it, change it for a denial with what those same portals have said. When the press swallows it, he brings out the denial he had dreamed of, but the media does not spread it.

-Was it too arrogant to think that the press was going to point out?

It was naive, arrogance was more the attitude of the press by not rectifying But the very fact that the press does not sheath it makes the act more valuable.

“A precedent can be set as to whether irony can be done in a case with a victim like this”

-Everything goes the way he had thought until he receives a complaint for damages to the victim.

-They do not take into account that this call from the press that someone is going to do a tour of La Manada in Pamplona is going to reach a real person, who does not have a face for public opinion, but who exists. And that you can easily imagine that you will not be amused. At that moment everything changes, because Anonymous has the truth that the intention was to attack the press; but there is the truth of the painwhich is the one that the victim has, which is that the mere existence of the web has hurt him.

-Is there a possibility of redemption for Anonymous beyond whether the Constitutional Court acquits him or not?

-The sad thing about a criminal process like this is that a man who considers himself a feminist and who believes that he is attacking those who have commercialized the pain of this girl is seen in a boxing ring with her and one of the two has to fall backwards. The difference with the case of La Manada is that there are good and bad, it is Manichaean and easy. Not in this one; A victim enters the courtroom, which is the one from La Manada, and two come out..

“One victim enters the courtroom, but two leave”

-I thought that the trials for literality had remained on social networks, I expected a little more waist from the judges when it came to understanding satire.

-This was said by Jacobo Dopico, a law professor, when he found out that the tour did not exist. He said that the pain of the victim is evident, but that the judges are there to stop certain things. The magistrates have not really taken into account in the proven facts that this was a parody. They have taken into account that there was a website, but they did not want to decide if it was an ironic content, because Anonymous has been condemned for the literalness of its irony. It’s scandalous.

-He fears that this could set a historical precedent against irony.

-Absolutely. What the Constitutional Court has to decide yes in one case popular voice a satirical approach can be made that does not even attack the characters, but rather the press. The sentence now says no.

“If people classify me as a soldier of freedom of expression, that’s fine with me because it’s an important issue”

-And in a case that drags so many tides, have you not been afraid to enter and be pointed out for going against the current?

-Anyone who sees the book will see that this is not the case, there is the literalness of my text. One victim enters the courtroom and two exit. This book is about the second, to the first maximum respect.

-This is his third essay on freedom of expression, are you afraid of being pigeonholed like some actors?

-People like trilogies. But I write about what interests me, If people pigeonhole me as a free speech soldier that’s fine with me, because it is an important topic; but you never know what will be next. When I met this story, I said: “This is a privilege to be able to tell it.” It looks like a movie, it’s Kafkaesque.

Do you already have an offer for a platform? Will you wait when the Constitutional ruling comes out?

I don’t know if anyone will dare, but it’s a story and an amazing archive of images of his actions. This story is the dream of any writer, it is a real novelI feel privileged. I also feel privileged because I am seeing how society is supporting Anónimo García, who had turned his back on him. And he is seeing it, which is the important thing.

Juan Soto Ivars: